Comments on: No Message No Marriage Part 1 – What the No-On-8 Campaign Didn’t Learn from the Obama Machine http://johnnycalifornia.com/2008/11/06/proposition-8-aftermath-heres-how-the-no-on-8-campaign-lost-the-election/ Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:33:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joel http://johnnycalifornia.com/2008/11/06/proposition-8-aftermath-heres-how-the-no-on-8-campaign-lost-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-982 Joel Wed, 27 May 2009 06:41:24 +0000 http://johnnycalifornia.com/?p=1123#comment-982 I am pleased that my comment put you in awe! And that sounds nice, but I think it is clear that the right in question is that of homosexuals to have their unions legally recognized as a marriage, and not a broad right of individuals to marry whoever they love without any regulations. My argument would sound just as good to me in your hypothetical world because my argument, and the logical principles behind them, are exactly the same. But lets stick to Earth: I and the woman I am deeply in love with cannot enter into a registered domestic partnership. Domestic partnerships recognize homosexual unions. However, the second I want to enter into a domestic partnership with a man, I can do it. Just like gay people! Sounds perfectly fair to me. I am pleased that my comment put you in awe!
And that sounds nice, but I think it is clear that the right in question is that of homosexuals to have their unions legally recognized as a marriage, and not a broad right of individuals to marry whoever they love without any regulations.
My argument would sound just as good to me in your hypothetical world because my argument, and the logical principles behind them, are exactly the same.
But lets stick to Earth: I and the woman I am deeply in love with cannot enter into a registered domestic partnership. Domestic partnerships recognize homosexual unions. However, the second I want to enter into a domestic partnership with a man, I can do it. Just like gay people! Sounds perfectly fair to me.

]]> By: The Gideonse Bible » Blog Archive » Because it bears repeating: “The top 10 reasons why Prop 8 passed” http://johnnycalifornia.com/2008/11/06/proposition-8-aftermath-heres-how-the-no-on-8-campaign-lost-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-981 The Gideonse Bible » Blog Archive » Because it bears repeating: “The top 10 reasons why Prop 8 passed” Tue, 26 May 2009 17:13:06 +0000 http://johnnycalifornia.com/?p=1123#comment-981 [...] quickly? Incompetence, fear, incompetence, letting the opposition define the terms of the debate, incompetence, and an obsession with focus grouping every sentence uttered by the campaign. In the weeks before [...] [...] quickly? Incompetence, fear, incompetence, letting the opposition define the terms of the debate, incompetence, and an obsession with focus grouping every sentence uttered by the campaign. In the weeks before [...]

]]> By: San Diego http://johnnycalifornia.com/2008/11/06/proposition-8-aftermath-heres-how-the-no-on-8-campaign-lost-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-942 San Diego Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:54:38 +0000 http://johnnycalifornia.com/?p=1123#comment-942 Alright, I agree that there were several different messages. HOWEVER, the No on 8 Campaign was run by the "Equality for All" coalition. This coalition's main member was Equality California. The leadership of Equality California RAN the No on 8 campaign for tthe most part. Upon realizing that the support for Prop 8 increased, the No on 8 campaign CHANGED its message (from 'equal rights for all' to 'unfair & wrong'). Just pointing that out... Alright, I agree that there were several different messages. HOWEVER, the No on 8 Campaign was run by the “Equality for All” coalition. This coalition’s main member was Equality California. The leadership of Equality California RAN the No on 8 campaign for tthe most part.
Upon realizing that the support for Prop 8 increased, the No on 8 campaign CHANGED its message (from ‘equal rights for all’ to ‘unfair & wrong’). Just pointing that out…

]]> By: Carolyn http://johnnycalifornia.com/2008/11/06/proposition-8-aftermath-heres-how-the-no-on-8-campaign-lost-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-820 Carolyn Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:35:30 +0000 http://johnnycalifornia.com/?p=1123#comment-820 Wow Joel, I'm in awe. The civil right we are talking about here is the right to marry the person you LOVE. It's about love. How would your argument sound to you, if we lived in a world where only same sex couples were allowed to marry and you were patted on the head and told it was completely fair because the second you wanted to marry a man, you could do it? Wow Joel,
I’m in awe. The civil right we are talking about here is the right to marry the person you LOVE. It’s about love.
How would your argument sound to you, if we lived in a world where only same sex couples were allowed to marry and you were patted on the head and told it was completely fair because the second you wanted to marry a man, you could do it?

]]> By: Joel http://johnnycalifornia.com/2008/11/06/proposition-8-aftermath-heres-how-the-no-on-8-campaign-lost-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-793 Joel Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:12:36 +0000 http://johnnycalifornia.com/?p=1123#comment-793 Barry, here is where you (and the equality California campaign) are wrong. Gay marriage is NOT about equal rights. Here's why: I am straight. I cannot marry another man. I may, if I want to, marry a woman. You are gay. You cannot marry another man. You may, if you want to, marry a woman. So under the law, you and I are treated exactly the same, regardless of being straight or gay. That is the definition of equality! Resorting to sound logic instead of name calling might help you next time. Barry, here is where you (and the equality California campaign) are wrong. Gay marriage is NOT about equal rights. Here’s why:

I am straight. I cannot marry another man. I may, if I want to, marry a woman.
You are gay. You cannot marry another man. You may, if you want to, marry a woman.

So under the law, you and I are treated exactly the same, regardless of being straight or gay. That is the definition of equality!

Resorting to sound logic instead of name calling might help you next time.

]]> By: The top 10 reasons why Prop 8 passed at The Gideonse Bible http://johnnycalifornia.com/2008/11/06/proposition-8-aftermath-heres-how-the-no-on-8-campaign-lost-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-264 The top 10 reasons why Prop 8 passed at The Gideonse Bible Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:58:58 +0000 http://johnnycalifornia.com/?p=1123#comment-264 [...] quickly? Incompetence, fear, incompetence, letting the opposition define the terms of the debate, incompetence, and an obsession with focus grouping every sentence uttered by the campaign. In the weeks before [...] [...] quickly? Incompetence, fear, incompetence, letting the opposition define the terms of the debate, incompetence, and an obsession with focus grouping every sentence uttered by the campaign. In the weeks before [...]

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